By now everybody knows about the “Montreal Screwjob” and the palace intrigue surrounding it. Lost in all the hullabaloo over the main event is a Survivor Series card that has been largely forgotten and overlooked. So, rather than focus on the same-old, same-old with Survivor Series ’97, we’re going to look at the rest of the card and see just how good (or bad) it really was.
Survivor Series ’97 would be one of the last “traditional” Survivor Series events for over a decade. Overshadowed by the “Screwjob” this card featured four Survivor Series elimination matches, the much-anticipated in-ring debut of Kane, and two title matches many fans thought they may never see again. On paper Survivor Series ’97 was a stacked card, drawing the highest PPV buyrate of the year for the WWF.
But did it live up to the hype? Let’s hit ‘play’ and find out!
With all previous editions of Monday Night RAW and all prior PPVs currently available on the Network context is no issue here. It should also be pointed out that this is not the live PPV version. Occasional edits and “WWF” muting are still present, especially in the main event.
WWF Survivor Series ’97: Gang Rulz (WATCH) Date: November 9, 1997 – Location: Molson Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada Attendance: 20,593 (event record) – PPV Buys: 0.89 (>320,000 homes) Commentators: Jim Ross & Jerry Lawler – Interviews: Michael Cole, Kevin Kelly, Dok Hendrix, & Jim Ross
CHAMPIONS AT THE TIME WWF World Heavyweight Champion: Bret “Hitman” Hart WWF Intercontinental Champion: Owen Hart WWF World Tag Team Champions: Legion of Doom (Road Warrior Hawk & Road Warrior Animal) WWF European Champion: Shawn Michaels
The show opens with a great vignette detailing the history behind the Shawn Michaels/Bret Hart main event. In the arena the pyro goes off, setting fire to the carpet (yay!), before Jim Ross welcomes us to the show. At the desk JR and Lawler talk about how big the main event is and the competitiveness of both Bret Hart and HBK before we visit the Spanish and French announce teams, but the audio’s out so we can’t hear a word they say.
As the Headbangers and Blackjacks make their way out we see footage from three weeks prior of Billy Gunn destroying a boom box over the head of Thrasher.
Road Dogg & Billy Gunn, leading The Godwinns to the ring, come out wearing what’s left of the Blackjack’s hats while Road Dogg cuts a promo about “steers and queers” and says the “Blacktracks and Butt-bangers” are “done for.”
— “4-on-4 Tag Team ‘Survivor Series’ Elimination Match” (WATCH – 4:08)
The Headbangers (Mosh & Thrasher) & The New Blackjacks (Blackjack Windham & Blackjack Bradshaw) vs. The New Age Outlaws (Road Dogg & “Bad Ass” Billy Gunn) & The Godwinns (Henry O. & Phineas I.)
This one starts with the Blackjacks and Godwinns doing some pretty decent work until Bradshaw wraps Henry in the abdominal stretch cradle for the elimination at 3:53. Phineas comes in and the Blackjacks continue to dominate when out of nowhere Phineas hits Windham with a lariat to eliminate Windham at 5:15. Mosh is taken out when Billy Gunn reverses a bulldog into a sort of flapjack for the pin at 8:42. After a decent stretch of action Thrasher eliminates Phineas with the Stage Dive at 12:40 to make it 2-on-2. Bradshaw is all over Road Dogg until Billy Gunn distracts him which allows Road Dogg to school boy Bradshaw at 13:47, leaving Thrasher all alone. Thrasher manages to turn Dogg’s pumphandle slam into a lateral press when Gunn, legal via blind tag, comes off the top with a legdrop to the back of Thrasher’s head for the final elimination at 15:27 to end a solid opener.
WINNERS are The Godwinns (Henry O. & Phineas I.) & The New Age Outlaws (Road Dogg & “Bad Ass” Billy Gunn) (Survivors: New Age Outlaws (Billy Gunn & Road Dogg), 15:27)
— “4-on-4 ‘Survivor Series’ Elimination Match” (WATCH – 23:00)
The Truth Commission (The Jackyl, Recon, Sniper, & The Interrogator) vs. The Disciples of Apocalypse (Crush, Chainz, Skull, & 8-Ball)
This one starts as an 8-man brawl until the referees separates them. This match is all about The Interrogator (who is borderline awful), who quickly eliminates Chainz with a sidewalk slam at 1:19. Recon has 8-Ball reeling when Jackyl tags in and promptly gets eliminated by 8-Ball after a spinning sidewalk slam at 2:52, after which Jackyl joins JR and “King” on commentary. In the ring 8-Ball and Skull switch places and Skull takes out Recon with a clothesline at 5:20. After some interference Sniper eliminates Skull with a bulldog at 6:30 to make 2-on-2. The Interrogator, by blind tag, enters the match and hits a sidewalk slam on 8-Ball for the elimination at 8:51. 57-seconds later Crush eliminates Sniper with a tilt-a-whirl slam at 9:48. Immediately The Interrogator steps behind Crush and hits Crush with the 315th sidewalk slam of the match to end it at 10:00. Had it not been based around The Interrogator and so many damned sidewalk slams this may have been a much better match.
WINNERS are The Truth Commission (The Jackyl, Recon, Sniper, & The Interrogator) (Sole Survivor: The Interrogator, 10:00)
A pre-taped segment asking fans who’s going to win the main event, edited to seem 50-50 in support, is shown next, followed by Kevin Kelly (in the America Online room) interviewing Stone Cold Steve Austin. Austin says he’s worried about his neck but that in the WWF it’s “sink or swim—Steve Austin doesn’t sink.”
At ringside JR and “King” show clips of the Milton Bradley dinner held the night prior to the PPV before we see footage from the previous week’s RAW of Vader being saved by Steve Blackman, a “fan”, after “Team Canada” was assaulting Vader following a “dog collar” match with “British Bulldog”. Vader, we’re told, bailed Blackman out of jail and offered him a spot in “Team U.S.A”.
Backstage Michael Cole interviews “Team U.S.A.” about the forthcoming match. Vader says all the team have in common is disliking “big-mouth Canadians trash talking Americans—tellin’ us how to think, tellin’ us what to do, tellin’ us how to act.” Vader says it’s not just “Vader time tonight, it’s America’s time!” Steve Blackman says that he may be new to “WWF wrestling” but “a fight’s a fight.”
With “Team U.S.A.” in the ring we got backstage where Michael Cole is with “Team Canada”. Davey Boy says that they’re in the “Canadian domain” while Doug Furnas says the American WWF fans are all about “drugs, crimes, slime, and now they have their new degenerates.” Furnas says he was proud to be an American but that he’s left America to join Canada.
— “4-on-4 ‘Survivor Series’ Elimination Match” (WATCH – 39:43)
Team U.S.A. (Goldust, “Marvelous” Marc Mero, Vader, & “Lethal Weapon” Steve Blackman) w/Sable vs. Team Canada (“British Bulldog” Davey Boy Smith, Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart, Doug Furnas, & Phil LaFon)
Blackman was returning to the WWF for the first time since 1989 when dysentery and malaria, contracted in South Africa, had Blackman bedridden for nearly 2 years! This is a great, old-school Survivor Series match that the crowd is into from the very beginning. The first few minutes of this one feature some very good action and pacing with everyone getting a chance to get their feet wet.
Eventually Blackman ends up brawling on the outside and being counted out at 5:47. Vader and Neidhart have a fun, stiff exchange that ends when Vader hits a massive splash on “Anvil” for the three count at 7:34. Vader and LaFon brawl until Vader destroys LaFon with a devastating splash for the elimination at 9:10. Doug Furnas and Mero engage in some pretty sloppy work until Furnas rolls out of a Mero sunset flip and jacknifes Mero (with the help from a hand full of tights) for the elimination at 12:00. Vader, the real star of this match, does his best with Furnas and Davey Boy but Goldust refuses to tag in. Vader has enough and slaps Goldust before dragging him in the ring but Goldust walks out istead and is counted out at 16:58. All alone, Vader manages to eliminate Furnas with the Vader Bomb at 17:35 before “Bulldog” gloms Vader in the back of the head with the ring bell for the final elimination at 17:47. This would mark Davey Boy’s last match in the WWF until the September 9, 1999 edition of SmackDown!.
WINNERS are Team Canada (“British Bulldog” Davey Boy Smith, Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart, Doug Furnas, & Phil LaFon) (Sole Survivor: “British Bulldog” Davey Boy Smith, 17:47)
Next JR & “King” talk to the winner of the “Super Supper Sweepstakes”, who (with 10 of their friends) gets to have dinner with whichever WWF Superstar they choose. Lawler is shocked when the winner picks Steve Austin for the dinner and not Lawler.
A great vignette of Kane’s debut at last month’s Badd Blodd: In Your House PPV and the history of the Mankind/Kane rivalry airs next, after which Jim Ross interviews Mankind from ringside (with Mankind in the back). Mankind says it won’t be a “wrestling match” but “Mankind against a brick wall” and that he’s “gonna get a head start, Jimmy, and I’m gonna launch myself into that brick wall. And when it does not fall,” Mankind says, “I’ll get up and do it over and over again.” Mankind says that when the wall falls it will leave nothing between himself and Paul Bearer, who called Mankind a “pebble”.
— “Grudge Match” (WATCH – 1:06:59)
Mankind vs. Kane w/Paul Bearer
Though this marked the in-ring debut of the “Kane” character, this was Glenn Jacobs first WWF TV match since the 1997 Royal Rumble, where he worked as “fake Diesel”. This one starts on the floor before the bell sounds with Kane tossing Mankind’s head against the ring steps. Kane’s red lighting blankets the arena for the entirety of this war, which features some very good work from both men and some amazing spots, including Kane tossing the ring steps into Mankind’s face and Kane chokeslamming Mankind from the ring apron through the Spanish announce table. Mankind survives the chokeslam through the table to deliver a crushing DDT on the aisle before hitting the trademark diving elbow from the apron. Kane retaliates by slamming Mankind off from the the second rope to the floor, a bump that still hurts to watch. Mankind pulls himself in the ring, crawls to Kane, and pulls himself up before Kane ends the match with a tombstone piledriver at 9:30. An excellent debut match that is just as fun today as it was then.
WINNER is Kane w/Paul Bearer (Pin, 9:30)
We get a promo for the free “WWF dog tag” giveaway to PPV subscribers before going backstage where Michael Cole is standing with Vince McMahon and WWF Commissioner Sgt. Slaughter. Cole notes the tension in the air and Slaughter reassures Cole that extra security on hand. Vince says it’s important that fans get to see the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels, which Vince says was supposed “to have happened on a number of occasions and did not for a number of reasons.” Cole then asks Vince who’s going to win the main event… Vince looks to be lost for words and then says, with a smirk, “I don’t know.”
With the Nation of Domination already in the ring we cut to the back where Dok Hendrix is standing with the L.O.D., Ken Shamrock, and Ahmed Johnson. Shamrock says he’s there to take care of business while Road Warrior Hawk says they are the “sergeants of arms” in the WWF and they plan on taking out the Nation and leaving them “in a pool of your own blood.”
— “4-on-4 ‘Survivor Series’ Elimination Match” (WATCH – 1:27:43)
The Nation of Domination (Faarooq, Rocky Maivia, D’Lo Brown, & Kama Mustafa) vs. “The World’s Most Dangerous Man” Ken Shamrock, Ahmed Johnson, & WWF World Tag Team Champions The Road Warriors (Road Warrior Hawk & Road Warrior Animal)
This is another match the crowd is super hot for. Hawk plays the immovable force with D’Lo but quickly falls prey to the Rock Bottom from Maivia and is out at 2:17. Ahmed Johnson eliminates Faarooq after reversing the Dominator into the Pearl River Plunge at 4:41. Faarooq won’t leave ringside, however, and moments later trips Ahmed Johnson and holds Johnson’s legs while Maivia makes the pin at 6:20. We get some decent work between Kama and Animal that comes to an end after Animal dropkicks Kama into Rocky and school boys Kama for the elimination at 10:54. Eventually Bill Gunn and Road Dogg, both in face paint (with Road Dogg wearing the L.O.D. shoulder pads), come to the ring. This brings Animal to the floor where Road Dogg throws powder in Animal’s eyes leading to Animal being counted out at 15:01, leaving Shamrock to fend for himself. Shamrock fights off a double team, sends Rocky over the top, and taps D’Lo in the ankle lock at 17:11. Maivia hits Shamrock with a chair and puts the boots to Shamrock before Shamrock makes his comeback, hits the hurricanrana, and submits Rocky with the ankle lock at 20:35 to win the match.
WINNERS are Ahmed Johnson, “The World’s Most Dangerous Man” Ken Shamrock, & WWF World Tag Team Champions The Road Warriors (Road Warrior Hawk & Road Warrior Animal) (Sole Survivor: “World’s Most Dangerous Man” Ken Shamrock, 20:35)
Next up is a promo for the D-Generation X: In Your House PPV for December before we get an excellent vignette detailing the fight and courageousness of Stone Cold Steve Austin and the story of the Austin/Owen Hart feud.
— WWF Intercontinental Championship – “Grudge Match” (WATCH – 1:55:52)
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Owen Hart(c) w/Davey Boy Smith, Jim Neidhart, Doug Furnas, & Phil LaFon
The crowd is super hot for this one. It’s a stare down to start things, as in an old spaghetti western, until “Anvil” attempts to ambush Austin. Austin takes “Anvil” out with a Stunner before Owen climbs in the ring and gloms Austin from behind to start the match. A “break his neck” chant breaks out as Owen and Austin duke it out. Owen, the favorite in Canada, works the match as an old-school heel, practically begging the referee to disqualify him when he wraps a cord around Austin’s neck. The fight continues until Owen goes for the piledriver, as he did at SummerSlam ’97, when Austin blocks the move, pokes Owen in the eyes, and hits the stunner for the win, and the Intercontinental title, at 4:03. This ended Owen Hart’s second and final Intercontinental title reign at 35-days and marked Stone Cold Steve Austin’s second and final Intercontinental title win. After the match Furnas and LaFon try to attack Austin and are both taken out with Stunners too!
WINNER and NEW WWF Intercontinental Champion, Stone Cold Steve Austin (Pin, 4:03)
Next is the very first “WWF Attitude” promo (one of the company’s greatest ever) to air on PPV followed by the very same HBK/Bret vignette that opened the PPV.
After the promo we see Triple H, flanked by Rick Rude and Chyna, knock on Michaels’ “dressing room” door. Michaels emerges and we follow HBK clear through the arena to Gorilla position. (If you look closely you can see Davey Boy come in early to prepare for Bret’s ring walk.) Michaels walks to the ring alone and proceeds to dry hump the Canadian flag in mid-ring or, as Bret wrote in book, to “f*** it hard”.
Backstage we see WWF Champion Bret Hart, followed by Davey Boy, Neidhart, and Bret’s son Blade, make their way to the ring. Like HBK, we follow Bret through the hallways of the arena to Gorilla position. The crowd is at a fever pitch as Bret comes to the ring. “It has been a long journey for the ‘Hitman”,” Jim Ross says. “This match was a long journey in itself. Took 18-months to get it done, and the smart money is that you will never, ever see it again.”
— WWF World Heavyweight Championship – “Champion vs. Champion Grudge Match” (WATCH – 2:11:17)
WWF European Champion Shawn Michaels vs. Bret “Hitman” Hart(c)
Though the fight starts in the ring, the bell never sounds and the first 7:37 of this one is nothing short of a street fight. Bret and Michaels brawl in and out of the ring, through and around the crowd, and up and down the aisle in one the the most personal brawls in WWF/E history that, despite the outcome, fit the angle perfectly. Vince McMahon’s presence begins to be felt as the two brawl around the entrance tunnel, with Vince pleading with Bret to get the match in the ring. Once back to the ring the bell sounds and one of the most anticipated WWF title matches of all-time is officially under way. The match, like the brawl before hand, is a wild, chaotic scene with HBK in control in the early portion until Bret reverses an HBK crossbody block from the top. Bret works on HBK’s knees and looks to be setting Michaels up for the Sharpshooter when HBK pulls the referee in front of him as Bret lunges from the top and all three go down. HBK rakes Bret’s eyes and attempts to apply the Sharpshooter when the referee quickly calls for the bell, giving Shawn Michaels the win via submission at 12:19, though no such thing had happened.
WINNER and NEW WWF World Heavyweight Champion, WWF European Champion Shawn Michaels (Submission, 12:19)
“What happened?” JR asks. “What happened?” Then, “Bret Hart gave up to the Sharpshooter.” Bret spits in Vince’s right eye as Michaels grabs his title belts. With Triple H in toe HBK briefly taunts the incensed Montreal crowd before disappearing to the back as the PPV suddenly goes dark.
Final Thoughts
For my money this event was the true start of the “Attitude Era” in the WWF. Had the “Montreal Screwjob” not overshadowed everything before it there is no doubt in my mind that Survivor Series ’97 would be considered one of the all-time great Survivor Series events.
With only one bad match (Truth Commission/D.O.A.) Survivor Series ’97 perfectly balanced tradition with evolution and delivered a great night of action all around.
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For years Vince and WWE have pushed the idea that they had to get the championship off of Bret because they were afraid he would show up on Nitro the next night with the World Title. And a ton of people fell for that and still believe that. Ignoring the fact that Bret’s WWF contract didn’t expire until mid December ‘97. So Bret couldn’t show up on Nitro or he would open himself up to legal action. But WWE’s revisionist version of history has become so engrained in people’s minds that they forget that Bret couldn’t, and didn’t, show up in WCW until well over a month after the screwjob.
I’ve seen Bischoff be what seems to be pretty genuine in interviews regarding Bret’s transition, saying he wanted Bret to finish up with WWE in the best way possible and that he had no interest in the title. Bischoff being genuine is sometimes hard to believe. One second, he wants to put Vince out of business and the next he wants an easy transition without conflict. Your thoughts?
He definitely didn’t want anymore legal trouble with the WWF at that point. WCW was already involved in several ongoing lawsuits with Vince at the time and if he would’ve had Bret show up on Nitro before his WWF contract expired in mid December, then he would’ve been screwed. That’s why the whole WWE story of Bret showing up on Nitro with the belt was a BS excuse. Bret couldn’t do that and Bischoff certainly wasn’t going to do anything at that point to add more fuel to the lawsuits already happening.
Bischoff during the Monday night wars would say whatever he needed to say to whoever he needed to say it to in order to make them happy. Whether he was telling the truth or not. In recent years however, he’s been more honest because he no longer has a dog in the fight. WCW is gone. He doesn’t work for WWE or any other wrestling company right now. So he has no reason to lie anymore because he doesn’t have a company to protect.
While that may be the case that Bischoff wouldn’t have wanted any more legal action, how do we know for certain that Vince was sure that this was the case also? Maybe Vince thought that Bischoff might still do it anyway, given all of the lawsuits that were already open and how many times he’d crossed the line before. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but even if it wasn’t likely that Bischoff would do that, maybe Vince just didn’t want to leave that possibility open of the belt being trashed? It’s hard for any of us keyboard analysts to know for certain really; we weren’t there.
Ok let’s say Bischoff did say “Yeah, Bret. Bring the belt to Nitro the night after Survivor Series. I’m already being sued. I don’t care.”, fine, but what’s in it for Bret to do that? If Bret did that then he’d be tied up in lawsuits that would’ve delayed his WCW debut for who knows how long and he wouldn’t be getting paid. On top of that, Bret had no history prior of being known as a scumbag that would do that to Vince. In fact he was just the opposite. In January 1992 when Bret’s contract was expiring, Vince asked him to drop the IC Title on short notice to the Mountie at a house show before Bret left the company. Bret did it with no problem. Then about a month later they worked out a new deal for a contract and he came back. So it’s not like Bret had this reputation for not doing business the right way.
Bischoff’s role in Bret’s transition has always had me interested in the type of person he is in real life. As I said, there have been times (After WCW’s closure) when Bischoff stated he never had any issues with WWE and only wanted to compete on a business level. On the other hand, several top names have gone on record saying Bischoff wanted to put Vince out of business, which today, Bischoff denies saying. There is a line that I’m trying to figure out if Bischoff crossed or not, and that seems unclear. WCW acquiring Bret is one thing, but not really using the Montreal Screwjob as a jumping off point may have been a mistake business-wise. Bret’s entire WCW career is pretty forgettable. A few good matches here and there, but mostly, nothing great.
Excellent post and my thoughts exactly. Also factor in Bret was being filmed for his documentary and he’d pretty much paint himself as the total opposite of what he claimed he was if he took the belt to WCW.
” what’s in it for Bret” is he could have been the screwer rather than the screwee. Vince left him no choice but to leave because he felt he couldn’t afford to pay him anymore. Vince screwed him first in that regards. Bret never wanted to leave but because Vince reniged on his contract he had no choice but to leave. He might have been tied up in lawsuits if he did show up on Nitro with the belt but if he did history would be a lot different wouldnt it,? Bet ya now he wishes he would have taken that route. Would have been less painful for him I think. And I personally believe that had he not left the company Owen mite still be alive today. A bold statement yes but I think had Bret still been with the company he would have never let Owen do that stunt. we all know history on this topic and it didn’t happen like that did it,? Had Vince never backed out on his contact history mite have been alot different.
I was there that night at the Molson Centre (now the Bell Centre) in Montreal. It was my very first time at a WWF TV Show. I saw two houses shows in 1994 in Montreal and in 1996 in Drummondville. The crowd was phenomenal. What a great night!!!
In this case, it’s not Meltzer reporting rumors so much as going through the facts of the contracts and the existing lawsuits WCW was involved in and the potential legal nightmares WCW would face if Bret had done what Vince and co. have claimed they were worried about, so yeah it’s actually pretty valid.
It’s a whole different animal from so and so said this might happen but plans can change, or the Young Bucks did flips with my name on it, the match gets eight billion stars.
Not to mention about a year after the screwjob Dave talked to Bret and Bret played the whole audio for him of his conversation with Vince right before Survivor Series where they came up with several different ideas of what to do, including Bret dropping the belt at the December In Your House ppv, which he still would’ve been under contract at that point. This was the full clip that was played partially in Wrestling With Shadows. After Shawn repeatedly told Bret that he’d never do the job for him, and all the personal stuff that went on between them, Bret legally had the right to say “F this guy”. He told Vince he’ll lose to anybody else after Survivor Series, even mentioning Austin, Taker or Shamrock, but not Shawn.
The bottom line is Vince gave Bret creative control during the last month of his contract as a show of good faith in case Bret felt like they would try to bury him on the way out. Vader even told Bret to be careful about a double cross possibly happening, but Bret didn’t believe Vince would ever do that. Then Bulldog said something similar to him. And Vince ended up breaching the contract and screwing Bret anyway. On the surface it’s easy to say “Bret should’ve done what the boss asked him to” or “Vince was just protecting his company”, but once you go deeper into the story it’s not like that at all.
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For years Vince and WWE have pushed the idea that they had to get the championship off of Bret because they were afraid he would show up on Nitro the next night with the World Title. And a ton of people fell for that and still believe that. Ignoring the fact that Bret’s WWF contract didn’t expire until mid December ‘97. So Bret couldn’t show up on Nitro or he would open himself up to legal action. But WWE’s revisionist version of history has become so engrained in people’s minds that they forget that Bret couldn’t, and didn’t, show up in WCW until well over a month after the screwjob.
I’ve seen Bischoff be what seems to be pretty genuine in interviews regarding Bret’s transition, saying he wanted Bret to finish up with WWE in the best way possible and that he had no interest in the title. Bischoff being genuine is sometimes hard to believe. One second, he wants to put Vince out of business and the next he wants an easy transition without conflict. Your thoughts?
He definitely didn’t want anymore legal trouble with the WWF at that point. WCW was already involved in several ongoing lawsuits with Vince at the time and if he would’ve had Bret show up on Nitro before his WWF contract expired in mid December, then he would’ve been screwed. That’s why the whole WWE story of Bret showing up on Nitro with the belt was a BS excuse. Bret couldn’t do that and Bischoff certainly wasn’t going to do anything at that point to add more fuel to the lawsuits already happening.
Bischoff during the Monday night wars would say whatever he needed to say to whoever he needed to say it to in order to make them happy. Whether he was telling the truth or not. In recent years however, he’s been more honest because he no longer has a dog in the fight. WCW is gone. He doesn’t work for WWE or any other wrestling company right now. So he has no reason to lie anymore because he doesn’t have a company to protect.
While that may be the case that Bischoff wouldn’t have wanted any more legal action, how do we know for certain that Vince was sure that this was the case also? Maybe Vince thought that Bischoff might still do it anyway, given all of the lawsuits that were already open and how many times he’d crossed the line before. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but even if it wasn’t likely that Bischoff would do that, maybe Vince just didn’t want to leave that possibility open of the belt being trashed? It’s hard for any of us keyboard analysts to know for certain really; we weren’t there.
Ok let’s say Bischoff did say “Yeah, Bret. Bring the belt to Nitro the night after Survivor Series. I’m already being sued. I don’t care.”, fine, but what’s in it for Bret to do that? If Bret did that then he’d be tied up in lawsuits that would’ve delayed his WCW debut for who knows how long and he wouldn’t be getting paid. On top of that, Bret had no history prior of being known as a scumbag that would do that to Vince. In fact he was just the opposite. In January 1992 when Bret’s contract was expiring, Vince asked him to drop the IC Title on short notice to the Mountie at a house show before Bret left the company. Bret did it with no problem. Then about a month later they worked out a new deal for a contract and he came back. So it’s not like Bret had this reputation for not doing business the right way.
Minor correction, they didn’t work out a new deal a month later. It was more like 2 weeks.
Bischoff’s role in Bret’s transition has always had me interested in the type of person he is in real life. As I said, there have been times (After WCW’s closure) when Bischoff stated he never had any issues with WWE and only wanted to compete on a business level. On the other hand, several top names have gone on record saying Bischoff wanted to put Vince out of business, which today, Bischoff denies saying. There is a line that I’m trying to figure out if Bischoff crossed or not, and that seems unclear. WCW acquiring Bret is one thing, but not really using the Montreal Screwjob as a jumping off point may have been a mistake business-wise. Bret’s entire WCW career is pretty forgettable. A few good matches here and there, but mostly, nothing great.
Excellent post and my thoughts exactly. Also factor in Bret was being filmed for his documentary and he’d pretty much paint himself as the total opposite of what he claimed he was if he took the belt to WCW.
” what’s in it for Bret” is he could have been the screwer rather than the screwee. Vince left him no choice but to leave because he felt he couldn’t afford to pay him anymore. Vince screwed him first in that regards. Bret never wanted to leave but because Vince reniged on his contract he had no choice but to leave. He might have been tied up in lawsuits if he did show up on Nitro with the belt but if he did history would be a lot different wouldnt it,? Bet ya now he wishes he would have taken that route. Would have been less painful for him I think. And I personally believe that had he not left the company Owen mite still be alive today. A bold statement yes but I think had Bret still been with the company he would have never let Owen do that stunt. we all know history on this topic and it didn’t happen like that did it,? Had Vince never backed out on his contact history mite have been alot different.
Seeing that picture of HBK next to Rick Rude is crazy. I feel like I’m looking at two of the greatest of all time.
And for the next decade, Canadian fans would torment HBK every time he would return to Canada.
…And every time there was a ppv in Montreal, someone got screwed in the main event.
I was there that night at the Molson Centre (now the Bell Centre) in Montreal. It was my very first time at a WWF TV Show. I saw two houses shows in 1994 in Montreal and in 1996 in Drummondville. The crowd was phenomenal. What a great night!!!
Bret Screwed Bret
I feel like Meltzer’s writeup on what happened should be required reading for anyone that thinks this is the case.
Absolutely; Meltzer is never wrong about anything … ever.
In this case, it’s not Meltzer reporting rumors so much as going through the facts of the contracts and the existing lawsuits WCW was involved in and the potential legal nightmares WCW would face if Bret had done what Vince and co. have claimed they were worried about, so yeah it’s actually pretty valid.
It’s a whole different animal from so and so said this might happen but plans can change, or the Young Bucks did flips with my name on it, the match gets eight billion stars.
Not to mention about a year after the screwjob Dave talked to Bret and Bret played the whole audio for him of his conversation with Vince right before Survivor Series where they came up with several different ideas of what to do, including Bret dropping the belt at the December In Your House ppv, which he still would’ve been under contract at that point. This was the full clip that was played partially in Wrestling With Shadows. After Shawn repeatedly told Bret that he’d never do the job for him, and all the personal stuff that went on between them, Bret legally had the right to say “F this guy”. He told Vince he’ll lose to anybody else after Survivor Series, even mentioning Austin, Taker or Shamrock, but not Shawn.
The bottom line is Vince gave Bret creative control during the last month of his contract as a show of good faith in case Bret felt like they would try to bury him on the way out. Vader even told Bret to be careful about a double cross possibly happening, but Bret didn’t believe Vince would ever do that. Then Bulldog said something similar to him. And Vince ended up breaching the contract and screwing Bret anyway. On the surface it’s easy to say “Bret should’ve done what the boss asked him to” or “Vince was just protecting his company”, but once you go deeper into the story it’s not like that at all.