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LP1, read the comments below and you should be able to work it out. I don’t see how there could be any confusion about that. And not giving out a name doesn’t make any difference if you actually pay attention to what has been said. I’m hoping your real name isn’t LP1. For the record, not having a name doesn’t make anyone’s opinion less valid either. I know you havent said that but its been suggested by others in the past and its the stupidest thing I’ve heard. And yes I am the same ‘Anonymous’ on this whole page.
Regarding the match. I always thought it was a video exclusive because it was on both Bret and Shawn’s VHS releases in 1994. But people have been saying it happened on Superstars and I know it was taped on 1/12/94 at Superstars, but having not seen that actual Superstars show, I can’t say for certain whether it was televised or just done for the video before or after the show.
On a more positive note, I’ve been a fan of the two of them for so long and I know that what has been included here could not have been much better. They really have included a lot of rare material as well as the epic encounters. It could easily have been cut down to 2 discs since its only 2 men facing each other, so I think we should be very grateful that we’re getting a set as good as this. The montreal omission in favour of Hall of fame speeches was a bit weird. But I’ll grab the blu ray, which I dont usually do. I haven’t been this excited about a release in years!
@SCSA, that link is NOT for a televised match. That match was a Coliseum Video exclusive.
It seems a lot of you were either not fans during that time period or just have bad memories, but the WWF was very different than it is today. Back then you didn’t have main event guys wresting eachother all the time on tv every week. Today every main eventer has wrestled every other main eventer at least a dozen times on free tv and that’s why ppv buys are in the toilet.
Bret and Shawn only had 1 singles match with eachother on free tv. It was the Wrestling Challenge match from 1990. The only other recorded singles matches they had were either on PPV or taped for home video.
@”Anonymous”, who called you a liar? And how do you now they were talking about you? You’re “ANONYMOUS”. Use an actual name!
I say there was probably a tag team match between them two in 1997, with Shawn and Triple H against Bret and Owen or Bret and Bulldog. Just think if the Screwjob didn’t happen and the awesome matches Shawn and Bret would’ve had, TLC matches, Cell matches, Hardcore or Falls Count Anywhere matches, or any match.
If it sounds like a lie to you why don’t you go and do the extremeley clever thing and find one. I’ll tell you why. Because it doesnt exist! You are out of order calling me a liar just because you know fuck all about what your saying. I wanted to see the Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart chocolate umbrella on a pole match from smackdown in 2003. But unfortunately that doesn’t exist eithter. But because I can’t cope with the idea that it never happened I am going to call you a PRICK!
I’m wondering now if they will end up putting the SS 97 match on both editions. Considering they usually unveil DVD content about a month ahead, why was this released two and a half months before the release? Was this a test to see how fan reaction would be to placing the match on the blu-ray only? Am I too much of a conspiracy theorist?
Like I said before dvd got the shafted on not having the Screwjob match, you can’t have a HBK Bret DVD set without that match because it was a great match and John Cena should’ve took a page out of Shawn Michaels book when Cena didn’t want to beat Punk with the STFU in a Screwjob type fashion. I wonder if fans still chant you screwed Bret at Earl Hebner? They used to I remember but I’m not sure now since Shawn and Bret dropped the beef but I got to say when Bret told Shawn to come to the ring I thought he was going to give Sweet Chin Music to Bret and tell him to Suck It in typical DX fashion but I was glad they dropped the beef.
They definately should have put the Survivor Series 1997 match on the DVD for sure! What were they thinking by leaving it off?!? You can’t have a FULL story of Bret and Shawn without that match included. That match has never been included on anything except the actual event. Damn. I don’t buy Blu-Rays.
But they didn’t wrestle each other on Raw! Honestly most of the complaints coming here are from people who don’t know the actual history between the two wrestlers and I’m not talking about montreal.
would have like to see more matches overall, maybe tag team matches with other partners. surprised to see their final match together to be included on blu-ray.
Bret Hart has commented on the Wrestling observer’s version of events in his autobiography and pretty much given it his approval. He said its considered a historical document. I doubt the other parties involved would like to give Meltzer as mcuh credibility because it makes them look bad.
LP1, thanks for explaining that bit about Jack Tunney and the local version of Superstars. Very interesting. I knew they didn’t air it, but I didnt know they did the explanation for the local audience.
“For the people complaining about so many interviews from 1997 not being listed, how do you know that clips of those interviews won’t be interspersed throughout the documentary? In fact I’m almost sure they will be.”
Yes, several likely will be. But I’m sure you’d agree that a brief clip here and there won’t do justice some really engaging promos. It’s like a film clip at an awards show. Good to see the footage, but you can only truly understand and enjoy the full concept when you watch the raw material (no pun intended).
About The Observer being a “Rag”. Dave Meltzer is one of the most respected wrestling writers in the business and has been covering wrestling since the 1970’s and he’s been publishing the Observer for over 30 years. He even had meetings with Vince McMahon back in the early 90’s about working with the WWF. He’s not some internet reporter who copies all his news from other sites and makes stuff up. Yet if you still consider that a “Rag” then more power to you.
@LP1 There are only 2 people that know for sure that it was or wasn’t a work
and I haven’t seen Vince or Bret comment on this article. You cannot definitively prove that Montreal wasn’t a work, if it was a work then surly the Wrestling with Shadows documentary would show ‘the work’ duh!
The Observer – whatever I wouldn’t even waste my time reading that rag.
Wow. You people frighten me. The amount of misinformation you guys are spewing is scary. Let me do some damage control here and respond to some of the comments made.
@straightedge47, my comparison to DVD-VHS and BR-DVD was that it was a changing of the guard, for lack of a better term. In the early-mid 1980’s VHS overtook BETA. Both could hold pretty much the same capacity, but VHS was the better of the two and was the future of home video. Yes DVD’s can hold more room than VHS tapes, just like BR’s can hold more room than a DVD. If you look at the sales of BR’s(in all genres, not just wrestling) you see that they rise significantly every year over the previous year while DVD sales in general are not holding steady. The first DVD movie was released in 1997 and it wasn’t until 2003 when DVD sales surpassed VHS sales for the first time. It took 6 years for the DVD format to overtake VHS. The first BR movie was released in 2006, if history repeats itself then BR’s should overtake DVD’s(in sales) at some point in the next 2 years. Could WWE have included the Survivor Series ’97 match on the DVD? Sure. Did they yave to? Honestly? No. Why? Because that match in and of itself is not the selling point of this release. The selling point is the commentary of these guys talking about their entire careers.
And do you really think that Blu-rays are only just a little bit better than DVD’s? Really?! The picture quality(on real movies, not just wrestling) is insanely better.
@Mark D, Montreal was not a work. I really shouldn’t even have had to write that, it’s so preposterous. All I can say is go watch and pay attention to the Bret Hart “Wrestling With Shadows” documentary and then read the issue of The Wrestling Observer from 1997 right after Survivor Series and you’ll get all the answers you need from what really went on.
@SCSA, the reason The Rockers beat The Hart Foundation for the Tag Team Title in October 1990 on SNME was because Jim Neidhart’s contract was expiring and he didn’t re-sign yet, so they wanted the belts off The Harts. The match was taped on October 27th and wasn’t set to air until the November 23rd episode of The Main Event. During those 4 weeks Neidhart did re-sign and since the Title change hadn’t aired on tv yet, they decided to keep the belts on the Harts. It wasn’t because Bret complained. Bret didn’t have that kinda stroke back then. So what WWE did was have Jack Tunney go on WWF Superstars(on the local syndicated version in the city where the Title change took place) and explained in storyline that the Title change was invalid because one of the ropes broke during the match.
As far as the Iron Man Match goes, no it wasn’t the best match the two of them had together(IMO their best match was the Survivor Series ’92 match), but WM12 was the most important match the two of them had together. The Survivor Series ’97 match really wasn’t that great. It was just a big brawl with a BS finish. Is the Survivor Series ’97 their most well known match? No. Is the finish of the match the most well known? Yes! The only thing people remember about that match is the finish. Say what you will about the Iron Man Match, whether it was boring or too long or whatever, the fact is those two guys went out and showed they were two of the best conditioned wrestlers in the world at the time. Did Bret and Shawn ech have better matches that year? Yes. Bret vs AUstin at Survivor Series ’96 was better(IMO) and Shawn vs Mankind was better at IYH: Mind Games(again IMO), but this dvd is about Bret and Shawn.
For the people complaining about so many interviews from 1997 not being listed, how do you know that clips of those interviews won’t be interspersed throughout the documentary? In fact I’m almost sure they will be.
Bret spitting on Vince, simple: to make it look legit and keep up the work (Didn’t Vince spit on Bret on Raw in the build to Mania 26, now was that real because of the spitting?)
Did you see Bret punch Vince? It couldn’t have been make up or someone else punched him (Shane maybe) to make it look legit?
If Bret was really that mad wouldn’t he have punched him after the match and not backstage in a room where only a few people were?
Bret’s refusal to return to WWE… Vince helped him secure a great deal with WCW to set Bret up financially plus if Bret was really so angry with WWE why did he agree to be part of WWE projects prior to his ‘return’ (Action Figures and Video Games).
Didn’t Vince and Bret meet in a park to talk just after Owen’s death?
Then after years of ‘exile’ (and divorce #1) when the time was right and most of the other Legends were used up then it was time for the DVD, the Hall of Fame, a Raw pre-tape (divorce #2) and then the eventual return. (Each time leaving everyone wanting more – coincidence, I don’t think so).
Plus some other points, at the time of Montreal WWE was building Austin into a anti-hero and rebellious character and what a great heel to play him off against… THE BOSS this was exactly why Vince wanted all of the heat of Montreal to be on him (didn’t he say this himself). Plus the PPV went of the air like 15 minutes early no one knew that was going to happen?
The fact that Bret did have more time left on his contract just means the whole thing was completely unnecessary. The idea that Bret was going to take the belt to Nitro the next night is a total lie. Legally he couldnt have if he wanted to. Bret just wanted to find another way to lose the belt because of the way Shawn was conducting business. He never refused to lose the championship altogether. He only refused to do for Shawn what Shawn had blatantly refused to do for Bret. McMahon pulled the trigger when he didnt need to and they have been trying to bullshit their way out of it ever since. On the flip side though business is business and vince was never going to risk anything when the WWF was fragile against WCW. It just shows how mighty WCW really was at the time. Fear is the only reason Vince had to do what he did, but his fears were groundless unless you listen to the the reinvented versions of history.
I hope this set does well and we see some more Rivalries sets some I would like to see would be: Austin/Rock, Rock/Mankind, Austin/McMahon, Hogan/Piper, Rock/HHH, Freebirds/Von Erich’s, Hogan/Andre, Flair/Dusty, Sting/Flair, Flair/Steamboat, Savage/Steamboat, Raven/Dreamer, Sting/Hogan, Rock n Roll/Midnights, Taker/Mankind, Flair/Hogan, Edge/Cena, HHH/HBK, HBK/Taker, Raven/Sandman and possibly wrestling’s greatest feud WWE/Alliance…
Both matches should have been on the DVD. I think its important to tell the whole story. But I don’t believe that Montreal was their most important match from a wrestling point of view. Neither of them were very happy with the match itself even if you disregard the end. The iron man match is everything they’d strived for in their careers and obviously they don’t want montreal to overshadow it. Perhaps thats why they kept it off the DVD. I am definitely going to buy the blu ray as a result though, which I dont normally do simply because blu ray is not all its cracked up to be.
SCSA, I’m not going to get into a big debate about montreal itself, but I will say that Bret WOULD have dropped the title to anyone else. He suggested Stone Cold the next night from what I understand. Bret told Shawn he had no problems putting him over in Montreal, but Shawn’s reaction was to tell Bret he wouldn’t do the same for him. Bret being very old school and traditional and out of respect for the wrestling business he grew up in took this to mean that he couldnt put Shawn Michaels over. I guess this is the biggest indication that Stu Hart’s wrestling business and Vince McMahon’s have different values. The truth is it was the WWF that wasnt repscting wrestling tradition. Thats pretty much how the WWF became huge in the first place, by breaking all the rules of the territories.
Anyway, yeah so in theory Bret could have shown up for work at Raw the next night with a broken hand. But I dont think Vince wanted that to happen. He’d already started trying to erase Bret’s existence. Its good that they’ve patched it up!
“Whilst the montreal match should be included for historical reasons, it was not their most important match like people are suggesting.”
I disagree. This was a behind the scenes rivalry as much as it was an in ring rivalry. You can’t have a disc like this without it being included to make it legit. If it had been anyone but Shawn in that match, Bret would have dropped the title that night.
Going back to what I said earlier, keeping this match off of the regular DVD takes away from the overall set for those who don’t have a Blu-ray player. My prediction is it “will” mean a loss of sales.
Apparently Bret did some complaining to Vince to keep the Tag titles on them after SNME. Bret was supposed to beat Shawn at WrestleMania 13 but Shawn got “hurt”. Bret was injured at the time of the King of the Ring. Vince had Shawn beat the Bulldog because he thought there would be more money in a rematch where Bulldog regains the title (which never happened).
And The Rockers were supposed to beat The Hart Foundation for the tag team titles at SNME in 1990. They even taped it. And Bret was supposed to beat Shawn at Wrestlemania 13. And Bret was supposed to beat Shawn at King of the Ring 1997. (And Bulldog was supposed to beat Shawn at One Night Only). And Something else was definitely supposed to happen at Survivor Series 1997. Best laid plans….
Here’s a random fact in relation to their rivalry- Did you know Shawn was originally supposed to be the one to beat Bret Hart for the Intercontinental Championship at SummerSlam 1992?
Well thats obviously subjective and open to debate. But again I’d say it makes sense to focus on just the rivalry beween Bret and Shawn and this was certainly the best match they had against EACH OTHER in 1996. Thinking about it, if the Iron Man match wasnt on there the last match on the DVD would be late 1993, which would skip out both mens best days. Again I’m glad its on there as a Bret fan because it wasnt on his DVD. But I can see why Shawn Michaels fans might not want it again.
They paced themselves very well. And that’s what real wrestling is, exchanging holds. Obviously was a difficult concept for a high profile Wresltmenia main event. I think that is why they are so proud of it. You don’t think they pulled it off? Just my opinion, but I think they’ve got it right with this one. I think they’ve included most of what they could have match wise. It makes sense to focus on just the two men, otherwise the possibilities are endless. The HOF inductions dont make much sense as that isnt a rivalry. I think its just a way of saying it all worked out nicely in the end.
“Whilst the montreal match should be included for historical reasons, it was not their most important match like people are suggesting. The Iron Man match was”
That is, if you consider 60 minutes of rest-holds the best and most important match on this set
SCSA, that match wasnt on television or on video so I’m not surprised it wasnt included. And why on earth would they include the Nation of Domination? This is about 2 men, not 12 men.
Steven, this DVD is not about D-generation X either and they have had far too many DVDs on DX already. They are only making this DVD at all becuase these 2 were amazing in the ring together and because of their personal relationship. Not because of all the fun skits from tv, as great as it all was. My favourite time for wrestling was 97.
Whilst the montreal match should be included for historical reasons, it was not their most important match like people are suggesting. The Iron Man match was. The Montreal match is a match that wasn’t finished and thats why its no masterpiece. The Iron Man match shows what the two men are all about. Montreal is not the best of either man and the controversy will be covered on the doc.
While we’re at it, let’s be honest. It was Bret turning heel that really started the attitude era. That facilitated Austin. And Shawn Michaels ‘was attitude before it was a catchphrase’.
It’s like WWE doesn’t want wrestling fans to relieve the glory days of the Attitude Era or Raw of Summer/Fall 1997. For me I believe the best time to been a WWE fan was during the Attitude Era, Stone Cold might’ve pioneered it but DX was the height of it and they started the Attitude Era.
can’t understand why survivor series 97 was left off the dvd set,the most important match from their feud,but oh well still a awesome dvd.can’t wait to pick it up.
No DX vs Hart Foundation bummer but I hope it at least shows some of DX crazy antics of their 1997 feud with The Hart Foundation but no Screwjob for the matches except on the blu-ray dvd got screwed there.
This looks like a very good set to me, i rather have this than rock vs austin as these 2 had a more personal rivalry that everyone was interested back in the day and now, dont get me wrong austin and rock rivalry was a classic in WWE History those 2 had some of the best matches ever in the company Wrestlemania 17 comes to mind but that was a on screen rivaly but with bret vs michaels it was something else, these 2 had bad blood for so many years since the screwjob in 1997 they hadnt clashed on seen each other and everytime michaels was in canada be it wrestling or promos he would get boo’d and the crowd would chant you screwed bret so for these 2 to finally make peace back in 2010 was like a fairy tale ending it just had to end all that bad blood and now for bret and hbk to sit down and talk about their rivalry is going be something else they are going to give i feel a honest and from the heart prospective of their time in WWE it will give the viewer a sense of what it is like to have a rivalry with another wrestlers not just from on screen point and story telling but from their own prospective and these 2 told some of the best stories in the ring.
This is going to be a DVD/Blu-Ray for the ages that fans will cherish for the rest of their life people will look back at this and say Wow these 2 were certainly the best and their is no doubting that.
As for the matches theres a good selection Iron man had to be included as that was their best match they had and to include their hall of fame inductions is a fitting end to their WWE Careers as people will truly appreciate what they did for the business day in and day out.
The Blu ray looks awesome as with a lot of recent WWE Blu rays (Greatest superstars of the 21st century comes to mind).
The content certainly does it justice and i believe this will make fans really appreciate the effort WWE puts in blu-rays and it will convice them to purchase more WWE blu-rays.
I’m a tad disappointed with the content. The peak of their rivalry – both on and off screen – was 1997. There were some brilliant, intense promos between the two the entire year, so to only have a couple is disappointing. Especially when there’s so many irrelevant, non-televised bouts from the early days included (when there really wasn’t that much of a rivalry). The HOF inductions, which have zero to do with the actual feud, should have been replaced by promos from 1997 episodes of Raw (which WWE seems hell-bent on never releasing, for some reason).
One point I would like to make is that this is apparently a new rivalry SERIES. Now I’m not sure many rivalries could actually fill up 3 discs, at least not without seriously compromising the quality of the content. I think this is another reason why it makes complete sense to put the Iron Man match on there. But I am surprised that they put the Hall of Fame inductions on there. What I’m getting at is this could very easily have been a 2 disc set and perhaps complainers should realise that. The 3rd disc may be a little weak but I’d look at it as a bonus. I really think if this is to be a long running series then a lot of rivalries would only cover 2 discs.
I also have a theory on why the Austin vs. Rock DVD was shelved. Austin is a very picky guy by all accounts and I heard an interview with him after the Legacy of Stone Cold Steve Austin came out and he said he thought it was ‘mediocre’. My guess is that Austin was against the idea because he’s unhappy with his mish mash back catalogue and wanted the definitive collection idea instead. Maybe thats why they decided to do Bret vs. Shawn instead and finally give Stone Cold the release he deserves. I’m certainly glad they did this. A Rock doc would make sense pretty soon too. So the Austin vs. Rock DVD looked like a bad idea since neither man has had a proper doumentary covering their whole career. I’m just guessing but that makes sense to me.
I upgraded to a blu ray player because of the extra content on blu rays especeially when they released Greatest Superstars of the 21st Century because of the extra content on it. I found a refurbished one at walmart for a good price. I had to shop around but u can find a good blu ray player at a decent price
How does everyone perceive the whole versus theme on disc one?? It seems odd to me to be compairing their two styles and hometowns for the entire disc. I personally also remember the DVD switch from VHS. I fought it for a long tiime and then when I finally went to DVD i never felt better. Im the same way about blu-ray. My entire collection is on regular DVD and i am sort of tired of blu-ray getting the extra content. I feel the SS97 match is very necessary to this set. Who knows, this might be my first blu ray. Seems like after the blu ray extras youd end up with about another hour of footage. Id love to know how long the set is and cant wait for the artwork.
I was always gonna get this from day one and I still am. I hope the interview doesn’t let me down. Really looking forward to disc 2 for the rarities. Disappointed about SS 97 not being on the dvd version cause I don’t have it yet but gonna get it anyway. It just may be time to look into Blu Ray players.
It’s different than VHS though, VHS to dvd was a huge change, but DVD to Blu Ray isn’t much of a change, Blu Ray’s aren’t much better than dvds. When VHSs didn’t have all the features it was because you couldn’t fit them on to one VHS, but DVDs can fit on all these features, they use to be 9 hours long until the Blu Rays started getting made and now they’ve been cut down so they fit both and now are only 6/7 hours, DVDs easily had room for the Survivor Series 97 match and every othe Blu Ray bonus, so it’s not the same as the difference between VHS and DVD.
I’m really looking forward to watching to the interview part since its new and will be very interesting since they are both of my favourites. I suppose from a dvd point of view its trying to balance matches that haven’t been released and including the more well known matches for casual fans. You couldnt have a rivalries set without classics like ss97 and the iron man ones.
Looks like a quality DVD but I’m slightly disappointed the Survivor Series ’97 bout is only a Blu-ray extra. It should be on the main set as that was the key moment in their rivalry.
If this helps anyone, the Syracuse New York match is from a VHS tape called ‘Invasion of the Bodyslammers’. Its not the same one as from the ‘Shawn Michaels: My Journey VHS, although the MSG 1989 Hart Foundation vs. Rockers match is the same as from that DVD. The Cage match is from the Bret Hart Volume 2 VHS.
The only omissions I can see are
1. Coliseum video match in 1992 (U.S. Rampage 92 tagged classic / My Journey)
2. Coliseum video match in 1994 (Hits from the Heartbreak Kid tagged classic)
3. Survivor Series 1993 family feud match (Hart & Soul)
4. Bret Hart & Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Shawn Michaels & Ric Flair (Macho Madness)
5. Hart Foundation vs. Rockers (Bret Hart Story, Best of SNME)
6. Hart Foundation vs. Rockers (SNME that never aired, Heartbreak & Triumph)
7. Hart Foundation vs. Rockers (Wrestlefest 1990 tagged classic)
I an all honesty I don’t see anything to complain about here. There isn’t much missing and any matches that are missing are on other releases. But for me this fills some important gaps left by Bret’s other DVDs. You can’t ask for better than this and if you are complaining I doubt you even know what you want. And don’t talk to me about repeats. The DVD is obviously aimed at people who like watching these two wrestle over and over and telling that story, not people who want a random collection of matches thrown together for no reason. For me its a dream DVD come true!
Good point…i do remember people crying about the DVD versions having extra features and additional commentary with the wrestlers themselves that the VHS didn’t have; specifically Wrestlemania 15 and Summerslam 99.
I’m picking up the Blu-ray anyways…these days BD players are cheap and it’s not like your DVDs will be obsolete, they do play DVDs and sometimes could look slightly better.
SCSA, a couple of points. They can skip from WM 12 to the HOF inductions because they only had one match after that, being the montreal match. And ‘Bret Hart Promo in Ring’ on the blu ray is the promo you are talking about.
And to the people complaining about Blu-ray having extra features that aren’t on the DVD, you sound like the people 10 years ago who would complain that DVD’s had extra features that the VHS versions didn’t have. I remember some people even saying “I’m not jumping on the DVD bandwagon. I’m still buying VHS tapes. I don’t have the money to buy a DVD player.” Lol. Blu-ray is the future and will eventualy overtake DVD’s the way DVD’s overtook VHS. It’s inevitable. I don’t blame WWE for doing this one bit.
@SCSA, the promo where Bret keeps talking until Raw goes off the air IS included. It’s the May 12, 1997 episode of Raw. Also as far as the match listing skipping from Mania 12 all the way to the Hall Of Fame inductions. Other than the Survivor Series ’97 match, what other matches could they have included from that time period? They didn’t have any other taped matches with eachother during that time.
Could someone explain to me why the SS 97 match is Blu-ray exclusive? If we’re doing a disc on their rivalry, why not include the most important match of that rivalry on both editions.
I know that WWE is trying to push Blu-ray purchases, but that’s ridiculous. This has turned from a must buy to a probably not purchase. Too bad since this is a cool idea for a DVD subject that just fails in it’s delivery.
At least the Survivor Series 93, HBK & The Knights vs. The Harts Match isn’t on. However I would guess the 1st disc is around 90 minutes – based on recent releases like the Stars of 21st Century.
Unfortunately a lot of this footage has already been released on other DVDs and what’s the deal with Blu Ray always getting the rarer content exclusively??
I’ve got to say that it looks very solid to me. My only concern is that the first disc looks like it could only be about an hour long. I can really imagine the first disc only scraping the idea of their rivalry and what it has turned into over the years. I really doubt that each of the chapters on the first disc are 15 minutes each. The 2nd disc is truly amazing and is reason alone to buy the set. It’s filled with a lot of house show matches and some pretty amazing stuff. As an obvious close the HOF inductions are important, I guess. I just hope we get 9 hours out of this set. I’m very happy with the listing.
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Definatly want the blue ray with survivor series 97′ match on it
LP1, read the comments below and you should be able to work it out. I don’t see how there could be any confusion about that. And not giving out a name doesn’t make any difference if you actually pay attention to what has been said. I’m hoping your real name isn’t LP1. For the record, not having a name doesn’t make anyone’s opinion less valid either. I know you havent said that but its been suggested by others in the past and its the stupidest thing I’ve heard. And yes I am the same ‘Anonymous’ on this whole page.
Regarding the match. I always thought it was a video exclusive because it was on both Bret and Shawn’s VHS releases in 1994. But people have been saying it happened on Superstars and I know it was taped on 1/12/94 at Superstars, but having not seen that actual Superstars show, I can’t say for certain whether it was televised or just done for the video before or after the show.
http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/94.htm
On a more positive note, I’ve been a fan of the two of them for so long and I know that what has been included here could not have been much better. They really have included a lot of rare material as well as the epic encounters. It could easily have been cut down to 2 discs since its only 2 men facing each other, so I think we should be very grateful that we’re getting a set as good as this. The montreal omission in favour of Hall of fame speeches was a bit weird. But I’ll grab the blu ray, which I dont usually do. I haven’t been this excited about a release in years!
@SCSA, that link is NOT for a televised match. That match was a Coliseum Video exclusive.
It seems a lot of you were either not fans during that time period or just have bad memories, but the WWF was very different than it is today. Back then you didn’t have main event guys wresting eachother all the time on tv every week. Today every main eventer has wrestled every other main eventer at least a dozen times on free tv and that’s why ppv buys are in the toilet.
Bret and Shawn only had 1 singles match with eachother on free tv. It was the Wrestling Challenge match from 1990. The only other recorded singles matches they had were either on PPV or taped for home video.
@”Anonymous”, who called you a liar? And how do you now they were talking about you? You’re “ANONYMOUS”. Use an actual name!
No that match didn’t happen either.
I say there was probably a tag team match between them two in 1997, with Shawn and Triple H against Bret and Owen or Bret and Bulldog. Just think if the Screwjob didn’t happen and the awesome matches Shawn and Bret would’ve had, TLC matches, Cell matches, Hardcore or Falls Count Anywhere matches, or any match.
Yeah, its from Superstars I think. Its also on the Shawn Michaels: Hits from the Heartbreak Kid VHS and Tagged Classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH7bZYzq16s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
That link is for a TELEVISED match between Shawn and Bret in 1994
If it sounds like a lie to you why don’t you go and do the extremeley clever thing and find one. I’ll tell you why. Because it doesnt exist! You are out of order calling me a liar just because you know fuck all about what your saying. I wanted to see the Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart chocolate umbrella on a pole match from smackdown in 2003. But unfortunately that doesn’t exist eithter. But because I can’t cope with the idea that it never happened I am going to call you a PRICK!
i find it hard to believe that hbk and bret hart never wrestled on RAW. sounds like a lie to me.
I’m wondering now if they will end up putting the SS 97 match on both editions. Considering they usually unveil DVD content about a month ahead, why was this released two and a half months before the release? Was this a test to see how fan reaction would be to placing the match on the blu-ray only? Am I too much of a conspiracy theorist?
Like I said before dvd got the shafted on not having the Screwjob match, you can’t have a HBK Bret DVD set without that match because it was a great match and John Cena should’ve took a page out of Shawn Michaels book when Cena didn’t want to beat Punk with the STFU in a Screwjob type fashion. I wonder if fans still chant you screwed Bret at Earl Hebner? They used to I remember but I’m not sure now since Shawn and Bret dropped the beef but I got to say when Bret told Shawn to come to the ring I thought he was going to give Sweet Chin Music to Bret and tell him to Suck It in typical DX fashion but I was glad they dropped the beef.
@SCSA, the Diesel & Shawn vs Bret & Taker match happened at an MSG house show. Only the end of the match was taped.
It was on the Best of Confidential. Not exactly a high profile DVD though.
They definately should have put the Survivor Series 1997 match on the DVD for sure! What were they thinking by leaving it off?!? You can’t have a FULL story of Bret and Shawn without that match included. That match has never been included on anything except the actual event. Damn. I don’t buy Blu-Rays.
I would say that that match was all about Diesel turning on Shawn, it wouldnt add much to the rivalry here in my opinion.
What about the Diesel/HBK vs Undertaker/Hart match in MSG? I’m sure they’d have footage of that
But they didn’t wrestle each other on Raw! Honestly most of the complaints coming here are from people who don’t know the actual history between the two wrestlers and I’m not talking about montreal.
would have like to have also seen a matches from RAW as well.
would have like to see more matches overall, maybe tag team matches with other partners. surprised to see their final match together to be included on blu-ray.
Damn them pushing Blu Ray! I know it’s better looking but I don’t have an HD-TV nor do I want to buy a blu ray player.
But some very rare matches makes this very neat.
I don’t think it helped that Shawn Michaels kept referring to the WWF Championship as a ‘stupid piece of tin’ in the lead up to Survivor Series.
Bret Hart has commented on the Wrestling observer’s version of events in his autobiography and pretty much given it his approval. He said its considered a historical document. I doubt the other parties involved would like to give Meltzer as mcuh credibility because it makes them look bad.
LP1, thanks for explaining that bit about Jack Tunney and the local version of Superstars. Very interesting. I knew they didn’t air it, but I didnt know they did the explanation for the local audience.
I’ll pass even thow i’m a huge Bret Hart fan but Disk 3 only
has one match which is a shame.
“For the people complaining about so many interviews from 1997 not being listed, how do you know that clips of those interviews won’t be interspersed throughout the documentary? In fact I’m almost sure they will be.”
Yes, several likely will be. But I’m sure you’d agree that a brief clip here and there won’t do justice some really engaging promos. It’s like a film clip at an awards show. Good to see the footage, but you can only truly understand and enjoy the full concept when you watch the raw material (no pun intended).
About The Observer being a “Rag”. Dave Meltzer is one of the most respected wrestling writers in the business and has been covering wrestling since the 1970’s and he’s been publishing the Observer for over 30 years. He even had meetings with Vince McMahon back in the early 90’s about working with the WWF. He’s not some internet reporter who copies all his news from other sites and makes stuff up. Yet if you still consider that a “Rag” then more power to you.
@Mark D, you proved my point.
“…if it was a work then surly the Wrestling with Shadows documentary would show ‘the work’ duh!…”
Exactly! Wrestling With Shadows showed that it wasn’t a work. Case closed.
@LP1 There are only 2 people that know for sure that it was or wasn’t a work
and I haven’t seen Vince or Bret comment on this article. You cannot definitively prove that Montreal wasn’t a work, if it was a work then surly the Wrestling with Shadows documentary would show ‘the work’ duh!
The Observer – whatever I wouldn’t even waste my time reading that rag.
Wow. You people frighten me. The amount of misinformation you guys are spewing is scary. Let me do some damage control here and respond to some of the comments made.
@straightedge47, my comparison to DVD-VHS and BR-DVD was that it was a changing of the guard, for lack of a better term. In the early-mid 1980’s VHS overtook BETA. Both could hold pretty much the same capacity, but VHS was the better of the two and was the future of home video. Yes DVD’s can hold more room than VHS tapes, just like BR’s can hold more room than a DVD. If you look at the sales of BR’s(in all genres, not just wrestling) you see that they rise significantly every year over the previous year while DVD sales in general are not holding steady. The first DVD movie was released in 1997 and it wasn’t until 2003 when DVD sales surpassed VHS sales for the first time. It took 6 years for the DVD format to overtake VHS. The first BR movie was released in 2006, if history repeats itself then BR’s should overtake DVD’s(in sales) at some point in the next 2 years. Could WWE have included the Survivor Series ’97 match on the DVD? Sure. Did they yave to? Honestly? No. Why? Because that match in and of itself is not the selling point of this release. The selling point is the commentary of these guys talking about their entire careers.
And do you really think that Blu-rays are only just a little bit better than DVD’s? Really?! The picture quality(on real movies, not just wrestling) is insanely better.
@Mark D, Montreal was not a work. I really shouldn’t even have had to write that, it’s so preposterous. All I can say is go watch and pay attention to the Bret Hart “Wrestling With Shadows” documentary and then read the issue of The Wrestling Observer from 1997 right after Survivor Series and you’ll get all the answers you need from what really went on.
@SCSA, the reason The Rockers beat The Hart Foundation for the Tag Team Title in October 1990 on SNME was because Jim Neidhart’s contract was expiring and he didn’t re-sign yet, so they wanted the belts off The Harts. The match was taped on October 27th and wasn’t set to air until the November 23rd episode of The Main Event. During those 4 weeks Neidhart did re-sign and since the Title change hadn’t aired on tv yet, they decided to keep the belts on the Harts. It wasn’t because Bret complained. Bret didn’t have that kinda stroke back then. So what WWE did was have Jack Tunney go on WWF Superstars(on the local syndicated version in the city where the Title change took place) and explained in storyline that the Title change was invalid because one of the ropes broke during the match.
As far as the Iron Man Match goes, no it wasn’t the best match the two of them had together(IMO their best match was the Survivor Series ’92 match), but WM12 was the most important match the two of them had together. The Survivor Series ’97 match really wasn’t that great. It was just a big brawl with a BS finish. Is the Survivor Series ’97 their most well known match? No. Is the finish of the match the most well known? Yes! The only thing people remember about that match is the finish. Say what you will about the Iron Man Match, whether it was boring or too long or whatever, the fact is those two guys went out and showed they were two of the best conditioned wrestlers in the world at the time. Did Bret and Shawn ech have better matches that year? Yes. Bret vs AUstin at Survivor Series ’96 was better(IMO) and Shawn vs Mankind was better at IYH: Mind Games(again IMO), but this dvd is about Bret and Shawn.
For the people complaining about so many interviews from 1997 not being listed, how do you know that clips of those interviews won’t be interspersed throughout the documentary? In fact I’m almost sure they will be.
@SCSA Let me address each of your points…
Bret spitting on Vince, simple: to make it look legit and keep up the work (Didn’t Vince spit on Bret on Raw in the build to Mania 26, now was that real because of the spitting?)
Did you see Bret punch Vince? It couldn’t have been make up or someone else punched him (Shane maybe) to make it look legit?
If Bret was really that mad wouldn’t he have punched him after the match and not backstage in a room where only a few people were?
Bret’s refusal to return to WWE… Vince helped him secure a great deal with WCW to set Bret up financially plus if Bret was really so angry with WWE why did he agree to be part of WWE projects prior to his ‘return’ (Action Figures and Video Games).
Didn’t Vince and Bret meet in a park to talk just after Owen’s death?
Then after years of ‘exile’ (and divorce #1) when the time was right and most of the other Legends were used up then it was time for the DVD, the Hall of Fame, a Raw pre-tape (divorce #2) and then the eventual return. (Each time leaving everyone wanting more – coincidence, I don’t think so).
Plus some other points, at the time of Montreal WWE was building Austin into a anti-hero and rebellious character and what a great heel to play him off against… THE BOSS this was exactly why Vince wanted all of the heat of Montreal to be on him (didn’t he say this himself). Plus the PPV went of the air like 15 minutes early no one knew that was going to happen?
The fact that Bret did have more time left on his contract just means the whole thing was completely unnecessary. The idea that Bret was going to take the belt to Nitro the next night is a total lie. Legally he couldnt have if he wanted to. Bret just wanted to find another way to lose the belt because of the way Shawn was conducting business. He never refused to lose the championship altogether. He only refused to do for Shawn what Shawn had blatantly refused to do for Bret. McMahon pulled the trigger when he didnt need to and they have been trying to bullshit their way out of it ever since. On the flip side though business is business and vince was never going to risk anything when the WWF was fragile against WCW. It just shows how mighty WCW really was at the time. Fear is the only reason Vince had to do what he did, but his fears were groundless unless you listen to the the reinvented versions of history.
If Montreal was a complete work then why would Bret spit on and later assault Vince?
And why would Bret refuse to return for so many years??
Montreal – It was all a work… 😉
I hope this set does well and we see some more Rivalries sets some I would like to see would be: Austin/Rock, Rock/Mankind, Austin/McMahon, Hogan/Piper, Rock/HHH, Freebirds/Von Erich’s, Hogan/Andre, Flair/Dusty, Sting/Flair, Flair/Steamboat, Savage/Steamboat, Raven/Dreamer, Sting/Hogan, Rock n Roll/Midnights, Taker/Mankind, Flair/Hogan, Edge/Cena, HHH/HBK, HBK/Taker, Raven/Sandman and possibly wrestling’s greatest feud WWE/Alliance…
This format could run for years…
Both matches should have been on the DVD. I think its important to tell the whole story. But I don’t believe that Montreal was their most important match from a wrestling point of view. Neither of them were very happy with the match itself even if you disregard the end. The iron man match is everything they’d strived for in their careers and obviously they don’t want montreal to overshadow it. Perhaps thats why they kept it off the DVD. I am definitely going to buy the blu ray as a result though, which I dont normally do simply because blu ray is not all its cracked up to be.
SCSA, I’m not going to get into a big debate about montreal itself, but I will say that Bret WOULD have dropped the title to anyone else. He suggested Stone Cold the next night from what I understand. Bret told Shawn he had no problems putting him over in Montreal, but Shawn’s reaction was to tell Bret he wouldn’t do the same for him. Bret being very old school and traditional and out of respect for the wrestling business he grew up in took this to mean that he couldnt put Shawn Michaels over. I guess this is the biggest indication that Stu Hart’s wrestling business and Vince McMahon’s have different values. The truth is it was the WWF that wasnt repscting wrestling tradition. Thats pretty much how the WWF became huge in the first place, by breaking all the rules of the territories.
Anyway, yeah so in theory Bret could have shown up for work at Raw the next night with a broken hand. But I dont think Vince wanted that to happen. He’d already started trying to erase Bret’s existence. Its good that they’ve patched it up!
“If it had been anyone but Shawn in that match, Bret would have dropped the title that night.”
Wrong.
Bret was scheduled for RAW the night after Survivor Series, so he could have easily dropped the belt to someone else.
Bret had a clause in his contract that he had creative control over his last 30 days.
He just didn’t want to drop the title to anyone before he left.
“Whilst the montreal match should be included for historical reasons, it was not their most important match like people are suggesting.”
I disagree. This was a behind the scenes rivalry as much as it was an in ring rivalry. You can’t have a disc like this without it being included to make it legit. If it had been anyone but Shawn in that match, Bret would have dropped the title that night.
Going back to what I said earlier, keeping this match off of the regular DVD takes away from the overall set for those who don’t have a Blu-ray player. My prediction is it “will” mean a loss of sales.
Apparently Bret did some complaining to Vince to keep the Tag titles on them after SNME. Bret was supposed to beat Shawn at WrestleMania 13 but Shawn got “hurt”. Bret was injured at the time of the King of the Ring. Vince had Shawn beat the Bulldog because he thought there would be more money in a rematch where Bulldog regains the title (which never happened).
As for Survivor Series 1997 there is a link that explains the plans for Survivor Series as well as the aftermath
(http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/85829/The-Piledriver-Report-09.24.08:-The-Shawn-Michaels-Story-Part-Four–The-Fall-of-the-Heartbreak-Kid.htm)
And The Rockers were supposed to beat The Hart Foundation for the tag team titles at SNME in 1990. They even taped it. And Bret was supposed to beat Shawn at Wrestlemania 13. And Bret was supposed to beat Shawn at King of the Ring 1997. (And Bulldog was supposed to beat Shawn at One Night Only). And Something else was definitely supposed to happen at Survivor Series 1997. Best laid plans….
Here’s a random fact in relation to their rivalry- Did you know Shawn was originally supposed to be the one to beat Bret Hart for the Intercontinental Championship at SummerSlam 1992?
Well thats obviously subjective and open to debate. But again I’d say it makes sense to focus on just the rivalry beween Bret and Shawn and this was certainly the best match they had against EACH OTHER in 1996. Thinking about it, if the Iron Man match wasnt on there the last match on the DVD would be late 1993, which would skip out both mens best days. Again I’m glad its on there as a Bret fan because it wasnt on his DVD. But I can see why Shawn Michaels fans might not want it again.
You may be right but IMO there’s been better Iron Man/Marathon matches and this wasn’t even either of these mens best matches that year
They paced themselves very well. And that’s what real wrestling is, exchanging holds. Obviously was a difficult concept for a high profile Wresltmenia main event. I think that is why they are so proud of it. You don’t think they pulled it off? Just my opinion, but I think they’ve got it right with this one. I think they’ve included most of what they could have match wise. It makes sense to focus on just the two men, otherwise the possibilities are endless. The HOF inductions dont make much sense as that isnt a rivalry. I think its just a way of saying it all worked out nicely in the end.
And I suggested the Nation of Domination part because it was a big part in the build up to SS 97
“Whilst the montreal match should be included for historical reasons, it was not their most important match like people are suggesting. The Iron Man match was”
That is, if you consider 60 minutes of rest-holds the best and most important match on this set
SCSA, that match wasnt on television or on video so I’m not surprised it wasnt included. And why on earth would they include the Nation of Domination? This is about 2 men, not 12 men.
Steven, this DVD is not about D-generation X either and they have had far too many DVDs on DX already. They are only making this DVD at all becuase these 2 were amazing in the ring together and because of their personal relationship. Not because of all the fun skits from tv, as great as it all was. My favourite time for wrestling was 97.
Whilst the montreal match should be included for historical reasons, it was not their most important match like people are suggesting. The Iron Man match was. The Montreal match is a match that wasn’t finished and thats why its no masterpiece. The Iron Man match shows what the two men are all about. Montreal is not the best of either man and the controversy will be covered on the doc.
While we’re at it, let’s be honest. It was Bret turning heel that really started the attitude era. That facilitated Austin. And Shawn Michaels ‘was attitude before it was a catchphrase’.
@Alan
Another good one is the Bret/HBK cover for the Raw 10th Anniversary Magazine
As for the cover art, I actually quite like the Raw magazine cover from Jan/Feb 1997: http://www.highspots.com/product.asp?id=24836&category=112 Anybody else have any suggestions?
And they could have added footage from the DX/Hart Foundation/Nation of Domination feud
As for matches that could have been added, what about the 3-way match with Sid, Hart and HBK where Shawn “hurt” his leg?
It’s like WWE doesn’t want wrestling fans to relieve the glory days of the Attitude Era or Raw of Summer/Fall 1997. For me I believe the best time to been a WWE fan was during the Attitude Era, Stone Cold might’ve pioneered it but DX was the height of it and they started the Attitude Era.
can’t understand why survivor series 97 was left off the dvd set,the most important match from their feud,but oh well still a awesome dvd.can’t wait to pick it up.
No DX vs Hart Foundation bummer but I hope it at least shows some of DX crazy antics of their 1997 feud with The Hart Foundation but no Screwjob for the matches except on the blu-ray dvd got screwed there.
Damn only the Documentry on the 1st dvd? I hope its not a 70 min piece. . WWE are getting to be cheap skates. I will prob buy it cause im a sucker.
This looks incredible. CAN’T WAIT!!!
Evan, that’s not the artwork. They haven’t released the artwork yet…
Content Looks great, Not so much the Artwork though! Can’t wait to pick this up in the future.
This looks like a very good set to me, i rather have this than rock vs austin as these 2 had a more personal rivalry that everyone was interested back in the day and now, dont get me wrong austin and rock rivalry was a classic in WWE History those 2 had some of the best matches ever in the company Wrestlemania 17 comes to mind but that was a on screen rivaly but with bret vs michaels it was something else, these 2 had bad blood for so many years since the screwjob in 1997 they hadnt clashed on seen each other and everytime michaels was in canada be it wrestling or promos he would get boo’d and the crowd would chant you screwed bret so for these 2 to finally make peace back in 2010 was like a fairy tale ending it just had to end all that bad blood and now for bret and hbk to sit down and talk about their rivalry is going be something else they are going to give i feel a honest and from the heart prospective of their time in WWE it will give the viewer a sense of what it is like to have a rivalry with another wrestlers not just from on screen point and story telling but from their own prospective and these 2 told some of the best stories in the ring.
This is going to be a DVD/Blu-Ray for the ages that fans will cherish for the rest of their life people will look back at this and say Wow these 2 were certainly the best and their is no doubting that.
As for the matches theres a good selection Iron man had to be included as that was their best match they had and to include their hall of fame inductions is a fitting end to their WWE Careers as people will truly appreciate what they did for the business day in and day out.
The Blu ray looks awesome as with a lot of recent WWE Blu rays (Greatest superstars of the 21st century comes to mind).
The content certainly does it justice and i believe this will make fans really appreciate the effort WWE puts in blu-rays and it will convice them to purchase more WWE blu-rays.
I’m a tad disappointed with the content. The peak of their rivalry – both on and off screen – was 1997. There were some brilliant, intense promos between the two the entire year, so to only have a couple is disappointing. Especially when there’s so many irrelevant, non-televised bouts from the early days included (when there really wasn’t that much of a rivalry). The HOF inductions, which have zero to do with the actual feud, should have been replaced by promos from 1997 episodes of Raw (which WWE seems hell-bent on never releasing, for some reason).
One point I would like to make is that this is apparently a new rivalry SERIES. Now I’m not sure many rivalries could actually fill up 3 discs, at least not without seriously compromising the quality of the content. I think this is another reason why it makes complete sense to put the Iron Man match on there. But I am surprised that they put the Hall of Fame inductions on there. What I’m getting at is this could very easily have been a 2 disc set and perhaps complainers should realise that. The 3rd disc may be a little weak but I’d look at it as a bonus. I really think if this is to be a long running series then a lot of rivalries would only cover 2 discs.
I also have a theory on why the Austin vs. Rock DVD was shelved. Austin is a very picky guy by all accounts and I heard an interview with him after the Legacy of Stone Cold Steve Austin came out and he said he thought it was ‘mediocre’. My guess is that Austin was against the idea because he’s unhappy with his mish mash back catalogue and wanted the definitive collection idea instead. Maybe thats why they decided to do Bret vs. Shawn instead and finally give Stone Cold the release he deserves. I’m certainly glad they did this. A Rock doc would make sense pretty soon too. So the Austin vs. Rock DVD looked like a bad idea since neither man has had a proper doumentary covering their whole career. I’m just guessing but that makes sense to me.
I upgraded to a blu ray player because of the extra content on blu rays especeially when they released Greatest Superstars of the 21st Century because of the extra content on it. I found a refurbished one at walmart for a good price. I had to shop around but u can find a good blu ray player at a decent price
How does everyone perceive the whole versus theme on disc one?? It seems odd to me to be compairing their two styles and hometowns for the entire disc. I personally also remember the DVD switch from VHS. I fought it for a long tiime and then when I finally went to DVD i never felt better. Im the same way about blu-ray. My entire collection is on regular DVD and i am sort of tired of blu-ray getting the extra content. I feel the SS97 match is very necessary to this set. Who knows, this might be my first blu ray. Seems like after the blu ray extras youd end up with about another hour of footage. Id love to know how long the set is and cant wait for the artwork.
I was always gonna get this from day one and I still am. I hope the interview doesn’t let me down. Really looking forward to disc 2 for the rarities. Disappointed about SS 97 not being on the dvd version cause I don’t have it yet but gonna get it anyway. It just may be time to look into Blu Ray players.
@ LP1
It’s different than VHS though, VHS to dvd was a huge change, but DVD to Blu Ray isn’t much of a change, Blu Ray’s aren’t much better than dvds. When VHSs didn’t have all the features it was because you couldn’t fit them on to one VHS, but DVDs can fit on all these features, they use to be 9 hours long until the Blu Rays started getting made and now they’ve been cut down so they fit both and now are only 6/7 hours, DVDs easily had room for the Survivor Series 97 match and every othe Blu Ray bonus, so it’s not the same as the difference between VHS and DVD.
i have to get the bluray to see the survivor series match is bs
I’m really looking forward to watching to the interview part since its new and will be very interesting since they are both of my favourites. I suppose from a dvd point of view its trying to balance matches that haven’t been released and including the more well known matches for casual fans. You couldnt have a rivalries set without classics like ss97 and the iron man ones.
Looks like a quality DVD but I’m slightly disappointed the Survivor Series ’97 bout is only a Blu-ray extra. It should be on the main set as that was the key moment in their rivalry.
If this helps anyone, the Syracuse New York match is from a VHS tape called ‘Invasion of the Bodyslammers’. Its not the same one as from the ‘Shawn Michaels: My Journey VHS, although the MSG 1989 Hart Foundation vs. Rockers match is the same as from that DVD. The Cage match is from the Bret Hart Volume 2 VHS.
The only omissions I can see are
1. Coliseum video match in 1992 (U.S. Rampage 92 tagged classic / My Journey)
2. Coliseum video match in 1994 (Hits from the Heartbreak Kid tagged classic)
3. Survivor Series 1993 family feud match (Hart & Soul)
4. Bret Hart & Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Shawn Michaels & Ric Flair (Macho Madness)
5. Hart Foundation vs. Rockers (Bret Hart Story, Best of SNME)
6. Hart Foundation vs. Rockers (SNME that never aired, Heartbreak & Triumph)
7. Hart Foundation vs. Rockers (Wrestlefest 1990 tagged classic)
I an all honesty I don’t see anything to complain about here. There isn’t much missing and any matches that are missing are on other releases. But for me this fills some important gaps left by Bret’s other DVDs. You can’t ask for better than this and if you are complaining I doubt you even know what you want. And don’t talk to me about repeats. The DVD is obviously aimed at people who like watching these two wrestle over and over and telling that story, not people who want a random collection of matches thrown together for no reason. For me its a dream DVD come true!
This looks to be the third best release ever behind the Bret Hart Story and Hart and Soul.
the Ladder match is from Portland, Maine not Oregon.
@ LP1
Good point…i do remember people crying about the DVD versions having extra features and additional commentary with the wrestlers themselves that the VHS didn’t have; specifically Wrestlemania 15 and Summerslam 99.
I’m picking up the Blu-ray anyways…these days BD players are cheap and it’s not like your DVDs will be obsolete, they do play DVDs and sometimes could look slightly better.
Amazing content!
‘Hart Foundation Promo In Ring’ is the one with the ‘Sunny Days’ comment.
SCSA, a couple of points. They can skip from WM 12 to the HOF inductions because they only had one match after that, being the montreal match. And ‘Bret Hart Promo in Ring’ on the blu ray is the promo you are talking about.
Do know why they don’t have the raw highlight reel (7.7.03) of shawn michaels admits that he is sorry about the monteral screwjob
And to the people complaining about Blu-ray having extra features that aren’t on the DVD, you sound like the people 10 years ago who would complain that DVD’s had extra features that the VHS versions didn’t have. I remember some people even saying “I’m not jumping on the DVD bandwagon. I’m still buying VHS tapes. I don’t have the money to buy a DVD player.” Lol. Blu-ray is the future and will eventualy overtake DVD’s the way DVD’s overtook VHS. It’s inevitable. I don’t blame WWE for doing this one bit.
@SCSA, the promo where Bret keeps talking until Raw goes off the air IS included. It’s the May 12, 1997 episode of Raw. Also as far as the match listing skipping from Mania 12 all the way to the Hall Of Fame inductions. Other than the Survivor Series ’97 match, what other matches could they have included from that time period? They didn’t have any other taped matches with eachother during that time.
Kind of disappointing…I don’t have a Blu-Ray so as others have mentioned one of the main things from this rivalry won’t be available to everyone.
Where’s the promo where Bret Hart cuts a promo and RAW goes off the air while he is talking?
Disappointed in the lack of promos and stuff, but it looks sick all the same. For the next Rivalries DVD they should include every promo in the feud
very underwhelming I’ll download the interview online at some point match selection is good on disc 2 wtf is with disc 3 though pitiful WWE
too bad we dont get the survivor series 97 match on regular dvd, but still picking this up.can’t wait.
Could someone explain to me why the SS 97 match is Blu-ray exclusive? If we’re doing a disc on their rivalry, why not include the most important match of that rivalry on both editions.
I know that WWE is trying to push Blu-ray purchases, but that’s ridiculous. This has turned from a must buy to a probably not purchase. Too bad since this is a cool idea for a DVD subject that just fails in it’s delivery.
At least the Survivor Series 93, HBK & The Knights vs. The Harts Match isn’t on. However I would guess the 1st disc is around 90 minutes – based on recent releases like the Stars of 21st Century.
And how could the match listing skip from WM12 all the way to their HOF inductions??
Unfortunately a lot of this footage has already been released on other DVDs and what’s the deal with Blu Ray always getting the rarer content exclusively??
I’ve got to say that it looks very solid to me. My only concern is that the first disc looks like it could only be about an hour long. I can really imagine the first disc only scraping the idea of their rivalry and what it has turned into over the years. I really doubt that each of the chapters on the first disc are 15 minutes each. The 2nd disc is truly amazing and is reason alone to buy the set. It’s filled with a lot of house show matches and some pretty amazing stuff. As an obvious close the HOF inductions are important, I guess. I just hope we get 9 hours out of this set. I’m very happy with the listing.
how long is the interview gonna be?
I’m liking the early 90’s material however do we really need the whole Iron Man match again?, still gonna get it for the interview without a doubt